Haibike Xduro AllMtn RX first ride review

Conservative geometry makes this e-bike best suited for novices

All Mountain Trail E-bike
The Xduro AllMtn is Haibike’s entry into the electric all mountain/trail bike category.

The Xduro AllMtn is Haibike’s entry into the electric all mountain/trail bike category.

If the mere thought of e-bikes makes that one vein in the middle of your forehead start to bulge, then I highly recommend you watch this Brandon Semenuk edit instead of reading any further. Why? Because today we’re going to take a look at the Haibike Xduro AllMtn RX. It has 150mm of travel front and rear and rolls on 27.5″ wheels.

The complete bike retails for $5900 and is spec’d with Fox suspension, a KS Lev dropper post, and Shimano XT components. The build also includes a Bosch motor and Li-Ion 36 Volt, 400 wh battery.

The Xduro AllMtn had 150mm of travel and a relatively steep 68 degree headtube angle. For comparison, the 140mm travel Specialized Turbo Levo has a 66.5 degree headtube angle.

The Xduro AllMtn had 150mm of travel and a relatively steep 68-degree headtube angle. For comparison, the 140mm travel Specialized Turbo Levo has a 66.5 degree headtube angle.

Geometry

For something with the word all mountain in its name, the geometry is surprisingly conservative. For instance, the frame has a 68-degree head tube angle, which is almost two degrees steeper than most bikes in this category. It also has a much shorter reach and longer chainstays. To understand why a call to Haibike was in order.

According to their Senior R&D engineer in Germany, it’s not fair to compare the geometry of traditional bikes to those of e-bikes. Due to the motor, electric bikes have longer rear ends. To compensate and ensure the bikes are still agile, Haibike positions the rider further back by shortening the top tube and using a slacker seat tube angle.

The Haibike geometry differs from traditional mountain bikes due to the position of the motor. To help compensate for the longer rear end, they use a shorter front-center to help centralize rider weight.

The Haibike geometry differs from traditional mountain bikes due to the position of the motor. To help compensate for the longer rear end, they use a shorter front-center to help centralize rider weight.

While this may seem counterintuitive, it helps position the rider more centrally. This works because e-bikes are ridden differently than normal bikes. Due to the power assist, riders will spend the majority of their time in the saddle. Therefore the combination of a shorter top tube, slacker seatpost, longer head tube, etc. allow the rider to maintain the same upper body position on an e-bike as they would on a regular bike.

Where this philosophy breeds confusion is in regards to frame sizing. Rather than employing the conventional S/M/L format, Haibike uses frame heights. This is apparently common practice in Germany and indicates the length of the seat tube. In the future, they’ll be moving to more traditional sizing, but for now, it’s best to rely upon top tube length to gauge your size.

I ride medium frames that generally have a 23.5” (596mm) top tube. This placed me on Haibike’s size 46mm frame which has a 22.8” (580mm) top tube. Their largest model has a 24.4” (620mm) top tube, so riders over 6 feet should definitely try before they buy.

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  • stiingya says:

    I am concerned with e-bikes and their potential to impact trail access. But I have to admit I could see a time in my future when a peddle assist bike would keep me riding with the kids when my knee and lower leg injury will put a stop to it otherwise. Also, plenty of mountainbike trails are already open to motorcycles. Some trails were for moto’s before mountain bikes were a thing. So there is the “potential” for a happy medium. BUT man it only takes one idiot with a mail order decoupled throttle to loose his/her balance roll that throttle back and near instantly accelerate to 50MPH and run into a hiker. And then the hammer will come down on all mountain bikers for it… the more e-bikes that hit the trails the more regulation it’s going to require. And at some point the only way to pay for that regulation is going to be fee’s/permits/registration? to/for mountainbikes. (at least in densely populated areas)

    BUT anyway, that e-bike aesthetically looks like a thrown together pile of parts. What the heck is going on with the stem angle, length and handlebars. Clearly whoever through together this e-bike has no business creating mountain bikes. The whole thing with the geometry sounds pretty shady to me. It looks like a purpose built e-bike frame. But it seems like they were stuck ordering a catalog bike with frame geometry from 1992?

    The scary thing is the geometry of that bike, short top tube, long negative rise stem is pretty much intended to get some newb thrown over the bars on an unplanned forward weight shift. Especially with the bike probably in the 45-50lb range. (plus you get that nice heavy bike potentially swinging around smacking or landing on top of you)

    The terrifying thing is because of the battery assist that newb may find themselves OTB and injured or with a mechanical WAY out in the middle of the desert/mountains/forest where they NEVER would have been otherwise.

    When it took a technically skilled highly trained athlete to climb Everest it was still good odds that you’d never summit and die if you tried. But now that just about anyone who can afford to buy a ticket can go climb Everest people die all the time. (well not actually right now because so many people have died of late that they are not allowing anyone to climb, but they just go to other peaks) I fear that e-bikes will bring at least some of that to mountain biking. People getting in way over their heads…

  • mtb says:

    This is a cycle with a motor on it. I believe it therefore qualifies as a motorcycle. I am greatly concerned that e-bikes (electric motorcycles) threaten the already delicate balance of mtb use in multiple-use areas. As such, I do not believe mtbr.com should continue its recent attempt to capitalize on e-bike fodder (to wit, the current bike which obviously is not designed well– refer to the post above mine regarding an objective review of poor design of the geometry) and I am now beginning to think of mtbr.com as an e-bike site– which does not even cover decent e-bikes.

  • Alex says:

    Hi.
    I want to comment regarding two areas:
    1. Geometry. As you mentioned it is upright and short. And you said this is a disadvantage, well I would disagree, I blasted this bike 3000 fit down on a technical trail and it felt just right. It all depends on your personal preference and riding style. I personally don’t like stretched out bikes and I feel this bikes geometry provides a unique options for people like me. It’s nimble and agile, not twitchy.

    2. Stating that Specialized Levo Turbo is industry leader show how unfamiliar you are with the E-mountain biking industry. Levo is out for a year, when you have companies like Cube and Highbike that came out with great products 5 years ago. Many European companies have amazing bikes that put Levo and all it’s technical issues to shame. Levo is a great bike but very expensive, makes horrible sound when chaining gears and no assist level control on the handle bar. Not an industry leader. Look at BUULS, Felt, Trek, Scott, MOUSTACHE, Haibike and many others euro brands that have amazing offering.

  • Alex says:

    I forgot 3rd point. You want 66.5 Head tube angle. Get $100 angel-set from Cane Creek and here you have it.

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